0165 "Losing My Religion" 4/03/07

kisselle · Post by **kisselle** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:01 pm

robtomorrow wrote: I'm sorry, but if you want consistency, continuity or for the story to make sense then you will have to go elsewhere.

Oy!

Marbella · Post by **Marbella** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:02 pm

I found the page JAS sent a snippet of. I copied it and I'm reading it. I do believe it's relevant. It mentions, "Mothers" a lot. Relevant sounding to me!!

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:05 pm

HyeMew wrote:I liked the Meshiness-feel the script had in this one.

I was disappointed by Bree's description of her getting along so well with her dad but not her mom because it flew totally in the face of the sneaking-out-with-Daniel era episodes, in which her dad was extremely strict and Bree would go to her mom who understood a little bit better to try and prevail upon him. Bree's dad was the bad guy back then, and her mom the voice of semi-reason who sometimes was able to help things out a bit for Bree.

I believe you are wrong...I believe it was the opposite. Bree always said she got along better with her dad than her mother.

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:12 pm

Hyemew, you are wrong about Bree getting along with her mother more than her father.

From LGPedia:
Despite his strict and overprotective nature, Bree's father has a close relationship to her and in other respects seems the softer of the two parents. He encouraged her studies in science and also enjoyed taking her out to watch mystery movies. He also had a role in her homeschooling, as evidenced by his mention of their conversations about Richard Feynman and Jared Diamond.

janesalteredstates · Post by **janesalteredstates** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:14 pm

Marbella wrote:JAS.. I cannot find that page and I want to read the paragraph that is after that one.

Try this:
http://books.google.com/
Search for "The Secret of The West 1931"
It should be the first link.

edit: oops

I didn't see your other post Marbella. I found it interesting. Don't know much about Geothe's Faust, though. The TOC makes that book look quite interesting.

TOSG · Post by **TOSG** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:15 pm

Good video! Nice acting by J-Rose, and good job on the Creators' part continuing to write a more likable role for Bree. And, it's nice to finally see some loose ends sort of get tied up. Hey, baby steps...

I don't know how much about this religion you guys are going to find online...it could be a completely (or almost completely) fictional creation.

Aithne · Post by **Aithne** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:15 pm

Am lost with the 'hymn of one" going to see what I can find in the Philosophy section at the University of Edinburg

janesalteredstates · Post by **janesalteredstates** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:18 pm

TOSG wrote:
I don't know how much about this religion you guys are going to find online...it could be a completely (or almost completely) fictional creation.

Oh, I'm sure of it. That said, all fiction has its roots in reality. THAT said, Faust is fiction

bethy · Post by **bethy** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:18 pm

http://www.ed.ac.uk/

Interesting tidbit from the site:

Edinburgh, and Scotland are home to some of the world’s most significant inventions, including:

* The Telephone
* The Television
* The First Cloned Mammal
* Audio codecs for iPods
* The Modern Steam Engine
* The Adhesive Stamp
* The Breech-Loading Rifle
* Logarithms
* Penicillin
* The Pedal Bicycle

Now, some of those are really debatable, though...

EdWont · Post by **EdWont** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:20 pm

This explains why a Watcher would save them. With the information from this video (particularly that The Order puts up a front using the Hymn of One*. Either (1) the Watcher is a believer in the religion, and wants to protect Bree because of her spiritual significance, or (2) The Watcher is a non-believer who isn't about to let the fanatical religious zealots escalate this matter anymore. Either way, it looks like the baddies are on the verge of an implosion. Thoughts?

Also, I kind of like the theory presented by Jane about the first monotheistic religion, if for no other reason that we know that the Zodiac of Dendorah is of some importance, Egyptian symbols seem to be a common theme, and that Crowley spent some time in Egypt (and indeed, incorporated Egyptian dieties into his beliefs). That being said, the theories about Bree being a kind of "Sacred Feminine" would explain why she's so important to them. My only complaints either way would be to question if a religion based on Crowley's teaching could be monotheistic, or place a female as an overarching diety. From what I've read, he seems to have been sexist ( http://tim.maroney.org/CrowleyIntro/Sex_and_Gender.html ) and believed in a variety of Gods. Oh well. Like you guys have said, it's an almagamation of religions. That stupid shrine haunts my thought process with these things.... Keep it up. You guys are awesome.

*I'm glad you guys cleared that up; I thought she said 'Him,' haha.

bethy · Post by **bethy** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:21 pm

From the University's Philosophy home page:

http://www.philosophy.ed.ac.uk/

Edinburgh has a distinguished place in the history of philosophy, having been home to David Hume and Adam Smith. Philosophy has been taught at the university since its foundation in 1583, and the department counts among its past scholars such leading figures as Adam Ferguson, Dugald Stewart (whose memorial, pictured, overlooks Hume's tomb in Old Calton Cemetery), Sir William Hamilton, A.E. Taylor, Norman Kemp Smith, John Macmurray and W.H. Walsh. (See the Notes on the History of the Department.) Hume was an undergraduate, but, in one of the University's more questionable actions, was turned down for the chair of moral philosophy in 1745. The current department, now part of the School of Philosophy, Psychology and Language Sciences (PPLS), was one of only half a dozen philosophy departments in the United Kingdom to obtain a 5* in the last RAE (Research Assessment Exercise).

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:21 pm

Ummm, was Alexander Graham Bell in Scotland at the time of the invention of the telephone?

Guess so.

robtomorrow · Post by **robtomorrow** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:22 pm

longlostposter wrote:Hyemew, you are wrong about Bree getting along with her mother more than her father.

From LGPedia:
Despite his strict and overprotective nature, Bree's father has a close relationship to her and in other respects seems the softer of the two parents. He encouraged her studies in science and also enjoyed taking her out to watch mystery movies. He also had a role in her homeschooling, as evidenced by his mention of their conversations about Richard Feynman and Jared Diamond.

Hewmew is right, Bree in the earliest video's did give the impression her relationship with her mother was better than with her father. The reference in the lgpedia you quote is mentioning things that were revealed in much later videos. It is the problem with consistency again.

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:23 pm

Well, I'll let you guys go at it. Let me know what you find out. Thanks.

Hippie · Post by **Hippie** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:24 pm

Glad the religion was names, i was on the 1st page, and tried to look into it, but i really didnt go past google page 2.... so hopefully you true lg members will find out...

personally for the longest i was thinking this was a part of Bohemian Grove... it didnt exactly match illuminati... and some underlying points point to BG... hmm my 2 cent