[I in APHID] [VIDEO] 1-16-07 "The Ends Justify the Mean

covedweller · Post by **covedweller** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:29 pm

I think the end quote fits the whole "Ends justify the means" argument.

So Op sees this as all working towards a BIG massive goal. One goal.

It must be Bree, right?

By why, Creators...why?

Killthesmiley · Post by **Killthesmiley** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:33 pm

but why MUST it be bree...

maybe there is a bigger picture we're missing...

MAYBE...this story isn't about bree but someone else, but told through bree...

hmmmmm

....
wild imagination..

Danielle · Post by **Danielle** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:34 pm

Killthesmiley wrote:true enough...

maybe there are many actions that took place that justified the means....

the cameras
setting up gemma for death (i kind of feel like op set gemma up for brother to find right now)
and the murder of bree's dad...

hmm...

lots to think about, but it grows harder and harder to think about with so little answers.

Gemma messed up, so Op made sure that she got messed up. It distracted Tachy and Brother from the bigger picture... thus the Nap quote.

She hung Gemma out to dry.

Killthesmiley · Post by **Killthesmiley** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:43 pm

Danielle wrote:
Killthesmiley wrote:true enough...

maybe there are many actions that took place that justified the means....

the cameras
setting up gemma for death (i kind of feel like op set gemma up for brother to find right now)
and the murder of bree's dad...

hmm...

lots to think about, but it grows harder and harder to think about with so little answers.

Gemma messed up, so Op made sure that she got messed up. It distracted Tachy and Brother from the bigger picture... thus the Nap quote.

She hung Gemma out to dry.

well yes, but i also meant, as Gemma was discovered to be a associate to the order, then it comprimises OpAphid. If they capture Gemma, then Tachyon and Brother are closer the OpAphid. Who ultimately, i think they want.
So what if Op thinks that Gemma is dead, but she is only captured...and being interogated. What could this possibly mean for OpAphid?

either I'm rusty because she's been away from so long, or there is something completely and utterly unsettling about this video. I think either there is something we're missing. Or we're not seeing the REAL big picture, but we're only being shown a tiny tiny tiny portion.

Ruberic · Post by **Ruberic** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:52 pm

First...OPPY IS BACK! I KNEW she was playing the part of the predator. Lay quiet, let brother and tachy feel secure...and then BAM! Video saying that things went according to her plan...

Brother eliminated a bad egg in her order for her...no need to bloody her hands. Brother and tachy were distracted while she arranged the icing of a leak known as Bree's Dad.

Oppy is one sly mother! The...game....is...back!

JustAnotherLonelyGirl. · Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:32 pm

I think the big goal may have less to do with Bree than we think.
Maybe it's related to the mysterious ceremony (about which we know almost nothing).
Or maybe gaining some kind of control.. politically? scientifically?

Well, I can't really do anything useful right now seeing as I have to try and pass school. (Op picked a terrible week to come back)

$\:D/$

BUT I'M STILL REALLY GLAD!!!

Daydreamz · Post by **Daydreamz** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:35 pm

What video was it again that Daniel mentions how he found the camera? Never mind I found it ... though in the "Undisclosed Location" Daniel ends it by saying "Who ever put the camera in my room, you have nothing" ... well I belive it, as that is what the new OpAphid video shows ... really it is "nothing" in terms of Daniel's comment, shows that it was true regarding how his cell phone had interfearance and such...

I'm new to following OpAphid's video's though I have been watching them since the beginning.

I have no idea why I am posting this, perhaps I just have things I need to ramble on about.

bethy · Post by **bethy** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:35 pm

Could it just mean that Op put Gemma in harm's way (the immoral action) in order secure her "society" (the moral action)? To get to Brother? I'm thinking the Op storyline has nothing to do with Bree at all. Not really anyway.

Gemma screwed up and was a liability. Op didn't pull the trigger herself, but she gave others a clear shot at her. That's what she's saying, anyway...could Op be fibbing to make herself look better? I mean, she has been gone for a month now, ever since Gemma's cover was blown.

But, then...how exactly was her cover blown?? She was first spotted with Lucy. How did Tachy know where to find her? Could it be that Gemma's screwup wasn't with Bree...but with Sebastian?

Could it be that they knew brother was alive and they tipped of Tachy in order to punish Gemma for screwing up with brother months before? Remember, the email to Sebastian from Gemma was in Op's posession...so Op knew about their "relationship". Once those items became missing, could Op have done a little adding up to figure that Brother was, in fact, alive and didn't die in the London explosion?

Gemma wasn't a very well accepted character for Bree's storyline...so they bring in Jonas instead...and let the ARG deal with Gemma by killing her off.

I'm thinking this is about Brother, actually. Op wants Brother dead. Why? I still think Brother was a teacher or a researcher of some sort in London, not a student. Because of what happened, Gemma became a sacrificial lamb...as a lure perhaps? Op would have known that D-ing Gemma would be something Tachy and Brother would want to do...and it would bring them closer to Op.

If I were Oppy...and I wanted Brother dead....Gemma would be the perfect bait to bring him out of hiding.

Cassie_xx · Post by **Cassie_xx** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:42 pm

I think that perhaps Bree is leading Daniel on for some reason.
The last part of the video description could be pointing to that.

tiltingwindward · Post by **tiltingwindward** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:01 pm

Wow. A month of waiting, and I'm gone the day OpA comes back. I feel like such a failure.

But more importantly, this video. The title and the quote at the end indicate to me that anyone who has ever been opposed to OpA should be on guard as of this moment (if they weren't before). I think we're about to see a new level of ruthlessness. Think of this as the Fair Game Special Edition.

The quote at the end is from Dwight D. Eisenhower (President of the United States and WWII general, for those who don't know him):

We succeed only as we identify in life, or in war, or in anything else, a single overriding objective and make all other considerations bend to that one objective.

So, OpA obviously believes that they are now at war. This isn't the Order hunting some teenager on the run here, nor is it OpA dealing with an irritating, but ultimately ineffectual, spy. Something slipped in the last few weeks, or before that, and now OpA has been forced to acknowledge the enemy as powerful enough that war is necessary. Now, I obviously don't think that OpA is digging trenches or pulling out the Howizters somewhere (although come to think of it, maybe I shouldn't speak too soon...), but I think it's war all the same. And in war, the ends justify the means (a popular quote, but not attributed to any one person that I could find). Basically, OpA is ready to pull out all the stops in order to win.

So, we know that Gemma is dead, and OpA is willing to accept that kind of sacrifice in order to achive their desired end. However, I still don't think we've been shown any clear picture of what that end might be. I don't think we know anything more about OpA's motives than before, except that they now see their existence as threatened enough to go to war over it.

JustAnotherLonelyGirl. · Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:08 pm

tiltingwindward wrote:Wow. A month of waiting, and I'm gone the day OpA comes back. I feel like such a failure.

Don't worry, I was sleeping/in school.

Danielle · Post by **Danielle** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:28 pm

In Regards to the Watcher Symbol
In Order of Appearance

Op feeling secure? G for Go?

Op feeling threatened? R for Stop?

Op feeling cautious? Y for proceed with caution?

bethy · Post by **bethy** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:56 pm

I don't think we know anything more about OpA's motives than before, except that they now see their existence as threatened enough to go to war over it.

We know they wanted Sebastian dead...

tiltingwindward · Post by **tiltingwindward** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:59 pm

bethy wrote:
I don't think we know anything more about OpA's motives than before, except that they now see their existence as threatened enough to go to war over it.
We know they wanted Sebastian dead...

We knew that before. I'm saying that this new video hasn't clarified any more to me what the "end" is that is justified by the means so far employed.

Pmonkeysbanana · Post by **Pmonkeysbanana** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:00 pm

Did anyone else think about the heavy breathing randomly in the middle? That part struck me as odd for some reason.. why?

And why is opAphid using the "Oh dear" now?