0146 "On The Road Again" [03/05/07]

[PixieSailor]

Thanks Lurker for your reply to my post.

Ever since the 'How Dumb am I' video I see a distinct anti-Bree vs. pro-Jonas mood brewing in the forum. Yes Jonas is likable and Bree is not, no question. But I think many want Jonas to be innocent so badly that they are in danger of missing or ignoring obvious signs? IOW, the 'how dumb am I?" title might just as well apply to us if we too are snowed by Jonases charms.

Oh, and Jonas is definitely gay. No straight guy would say 'three's a crowd' no matter how annoying and whiney the girl was, even if he had been just tied up. Sorry, that sealed it for me. Either that or he's a plant from the Order trying to tear Bree and Daniel apart by first bonding with one and then the other, wedging himself in between them by any means possible.

I disagree with you SOOO much.

I verly clearly looked at both sides from all angles, and I think Jonas is innocent. At first I was certain he wasn't, but all ALL the signs point to him being innocent. He really has had thousands of chances to turn bree and danial in to the order, and everything he's done since bree went off has proven him to be innocent. Him getting angry, him running, how weary he looks in the car. The fact that he's pissed as you know what in the car.

And I don't know HOW you can make the assumption he's gay. I'm sorry, but if you're TIED UP AND HELD HOSTAGE by a girl, you're going to be pissed. Period.

I think we should have faith in him. He's proved trustworthy thus far, why would he randomly be BADBAD? Most of the things you pointed out seemed to be from a specific POV. :3

If I seemed rude there at all I didn't try. <3

[michiev]

I understand why Jonas is pissed, but if he's choosing to stick with dB and Bree even after that they did to him, then he needs to get over it and stop acting like an ass. He could've just said to hell with them and tossed them out and been done with it if he were really THAT mad.

EXACTLY, i was going to post the same thing earlier.

[PixieSailor]

I still don't know about Jonas. Did anyone else notice some of the "looks" he gave the camera?

Yeah i still don't know about him, maybe it was cause he was pissed off at bree.

But doesn't anyone find it strange that hes got like ALL these places he can go to and they are ALL empty, i mean obviously his house was empty seeing as he was the only one living there but his "aunt" is coincidentally away from the house?

Id like to trust jonas because i know that bree and daniel do not need another person stabbing them in the back right now. and they dont need to be on the road.

I'll be interested to see how this new house plays out in the story,

I still wonder about jonas though.

I think he chose his aunts house because he knew previously that she wouldn't be there. Out of all the places to go, that was one he knew would be vacent.

[joygasm]

Jonas definitely knows more than he has let on. I refuse to believe that the Creators would let it stand as a random coincidence that Jonas had followed Bree's story and offered them shelter (and oh, wow, would you look at that we have something in common). Just no way. It would cheapen the entire story and destroy any intelligent fans ability to suspend disbelief. Daniel should be asking more questions about what Jonas knew and why he never came clean.

If you saw my post a few before yours, you know I'm right there with you. That would just be way too much.

I have thought Jonas knew something since he came about. Why would some random rich boy off the internet put his own life in danger for these two strangers? When people started getting killed and kidnapped it kind of set it in for me. Nobody is that nice.

I like the idea of Jonas' parents setting up the foundation "Mom and Dad". That would be a pretty sweet twist!

I really don't have a whole lot to say about this video. It was a nice transition... but I am hoping for a big video soon. I need more answers!!!

[michiev]

haha Jonas killed me in this one Seriously Bree would have been kicked off the island at this point if it were me. "See ya crazy cult girl. Thanks for coming to my homes and holding me prisoner. Yo Beast, wanna play foosball?"

I love how neither of the boys have a problem with breaking and entering

Jonas wasn't breaking & entering. Now..why in the world would someone leave their house unattended without an alarm active in the house? & isn't it so coicidential that his aunt is away from the house?

[chelspea]

I'm not sure if this has already been looked at or not, so I'll offer it up just in case:

In Wikipedia, when you look at the information for Pi, it says that it is used in textual criticism as a symbol for Codex Petropolitanus. Codex Petropolitanus refers to any of three texts, and translates to "St. Petersburg codex" (a codex is, essentially a book - codices replaced the scroll). The three specific texts that it can refer to can be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Petropolitanus

The one that I find particularly interesting is the third: Tertullian's Apologeticus.

Read about Tertullian here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertullian
And his manuscript here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologeticus

I'm not in any place to be making connections, but I think some may be able to be made here. Hope I helped!

[joygasm]

Thanks Lurker for your reply to my post.

Ever since the 'How Dumb am I' video I see a distinct anti-Bree vs. pro-Jonas mood brewing in the forum. Yes Jonas is likable and Bree is not, no question. But I think many want Jonas to be innocent so badly that they are in danger of missing or ignoring obvious signs? IOW, the 'how dumb am I?" title might just as well apply to us if we too are snowed by Jonases charms.

Oh, and Jonas is definitely gay. No straight guy would say 'three's a crowd' no matter how annoying and whiney the girl was, even if he had been just tied up. Sorry, that sealed it for me. Either that or he's a plant from the Order trying to tear Bree and Daniel apart by first bonding with one and then the other, wedging himself in between them by any means possible.

I disagree with you SOOO much.

I verly clearly looked at both sides from all angles, and I think Jonas is innocent. At first I was certain he wasn't, but all ALL the signs point to him being innocent. He really has had thousands of chances to turn bree and danial in to the order, and everything he's done since bree went off has proven him to be innocent. Him getting angry, him running, how weary he looks in the car. The fact that he's pissed as you know what in the car.

And I don't know HOW you can make the assumption he's gay. I'm sorry, but if you're TIED UP AND HELD HOSTAGE by a girl, you're going to be pissed. Period.

I think we should have faith in him. He's proved trustworthy thus far, why would he randomly be BADBAD? Most of the things you pointed out seemed to be from a specific POV. :3

If I seemed rude there at all I didn't try. <3

[onsweetavenue]

Okay the ignoring game is really annoying, but f**k, bree is the most annoying person on the planet. "what? why are you still mad? I said I was sorry for contemplating murdering you, leaving you to starve, and thinking you killed my dad. I'm sorry I only didn't leave you to starve because Daniel refused to do it with me. I'm sorry I tied you up and questioned you like some prisoner of war. I SAID I WAS SORRY."

Jesus fucking christ, bitch.

[michiev]

Thanks Lurker for your reply to my post.

Ever since the 'How Dumb am I' video I see a distinct anti-Bree vs. pro-Jonas mood brewing in the forum. Yes Jonas is likable and Bree is not, no question. But I think many want Jonas to be innocent so badly that they are in danger of missing or ignoring obvious signs? IOW, the 'how dumb am I?" title might just as well apply to us if we too are snowed by Jonases charms.

Oh, and Jonas is definitely gay. No straight guy would say 'three's a crowd' no matter how annoying and whiney the girl was, even if he had been just tied up. Sorry, that sealed it for me. Either that or he's a plant from the Order trying to tear Bree and Daniel apart by first bonding with one and then the other, wedging himself in between them by any means possible.

I disagree with you SOOO much.

I verly clearly looked at both sides from all angles, and I think Jonas is innocent. At first I was certain he wasn't, but all ALL the signs point to him being innocent. He really has had thousands of chances to turn bree and danial in to the order, and everything he's done since bree went off has proven him to be innocent. Him getting angry, him running, how weary he looks in the car. The fact that he's pissed as you know what in the car.

And I don't know HOW you can make the assumption he's gay. I'm sorry, but if you're TIED UP AND HELD HOSTAGE by a girl, you're going to be pissed. Period.

I think we should have faith in him. He's proved trustworthy thus far, why would he randomly be BADBAD? Most of the things you pointed out seemed to be from a specific POV. :3

If I seemed rude there at all I didn't try. <3

Everyone always says that jonas has had all these opportunities to turn bree & Daniel in to the order but maybe IF he is working for the order at all. maybe thats not the way the plan works..you already know that the order doesn't seem intent on forcing bree to do the ceremony

Im just saying that forcing her into doing it doesn't seem what they are trying to do.

[joygasm]

Thanks Lurker for your reply to my post.

Ever since the 'How Dumb am I' video I see a distinct anti-Bree vs. pro-Jonas mood brewing in the forum. Yes Jonas is likable and Bree is not, no question. But I think many want Jonas to be innocent so badly that they are in danger of missing or ignoring obvious signs? IOW, the 'how dumb am I?" title might just as well apply to us if we too are snowed by Jonases charms.

Oh, and Jonas is definitely gay. No straight guy would say 'three's a crowd' no matter how annoying and whiney the girl was, even if he had been just tied up. Sorry, that sealed it for me. Either that or he's a plant from the Order trying to tear Bree and Daniel apart by first bonding with one and then the other, wedging himself in between them by any means possible.

I disagree with you SOOO much.

I verly clearly looked at both sides from all angles, and I think Jonas is innocent. At first I was certain he wasn't, but all ALL the signs point to him being innocent. He really has had thousands of chances to turn bree and danial in to the order, and everything he's done since bree went off has proven him to be innocent. Him getting angry, him running, how weary he looks in the car. The fact that he's pissed as you know what in the car.

And I don't know HOW you can make the assumption he's gay. I'm sorry, but if you're TIED UP AND HELD HOSTAGE by a girl, you're going to be pissed. Period.

I think we should have faith in him. He's proved trustworthy thus far, why would he randomly be BADBAD? Most of the things you pointed out seemed to be from a specific POV. :3

If I seemed rude there at all I didn't try. <3

Everyone always says that jonas has had all these opportunities to turn bree & Daniel in to the order but maybe IF he is working for the order at all. maybe thats not the way the plan works..you already know that the order doesn't seem intent on forcing bree to do the ceremony

Im just saying that forcing her into doing it doesn't seem what they are trying to do.

Yea... but he was talking her out of doing the ceremony in exchange for Daniel... he could have easily tried to convince her that it was her best bet to just do the ceremony

[Visceria]

Thanks Lurker for your reply to my post.

Ever since the 'How Dumb am I' video I see a distinct anti-Bree vs. pro-Jonas mood brewing in the forum. Yes Jonas is likable and Bree is not, no question. But I think many want Jonas to be innocent so badly that they are in danger of missing or ignoring obvious signs? IOW, the 'how dumb am I?" title might just as well apply to us if we too are snowed by Jonases charms.

Oh, and Jonas is definitely gay. No straight guy would say 'three's a crowd' no matter how annoying and whiney the girl was, even if he had been just tied up. Sorry, that sealed it for me. Either that or he's a plant from the Order trying to tear Bree and Daniel apart by first bonding with one and then the other, wedging himself in between them by any means possible.

I disagree with you SOOO much.

I verly clearly looked at both sides from all angles, and I think Jonas is innocent. At first I was certain he wasn't, but all ALL the signs point to him being innocent. He really has had thousands of chances to turn bree and danial in to the order, and everything he's done since bree went off has proven him to be innocent. Him getting angry, him running, how weary he looks in the car. The fact that he's pissed as you know what in the car.

And I don't know HOW you can make the assumption he's gay. I'm sorry, but if you're TIED UP AND HELD HOSTAGE by a girl, you're going to be pissed. Period.

I think we should have faith in him. He's proved trustworthy thus far, why would he randomly be BADBAD? Most of the things you pointed out seemed to be from a specific POV. :3

If I seemed rude there at all I didn't try. <3

Everyone always says that jonas has had all these opportunities to turn bree & Daniel in to the order but maybe IF he is working for the order at all. maybe thats not the way the plan works..you already know that the order doesn't seem intent on forcing bree to do the ceremony

Im just saying that forcing her into doing it doesn't seem what they are trying to do.

I agree. I think Jonas is innocent, though; I mean, otherwise, it would be such an elaborate act, and quite hard to keep up, IMO. With Gemma, the situation was different, since she only had to communicate when she wanted via video --- which is a lot different than LIVING with people 24/7. (Well, I change my mind as to whether Jonas is innocent or not like 40 times a day, so XP).

But if he WAS working for the Order, everything he's been doing (keeping Bree safe, feeding and housing her, etc.) lines itself up pretty well with the Order's intentions. After all, they'd want someone to be there to keep her protected and what-not, since she seems pretty important to them.

[onsweetavenue]

Everyone always says that jonas has had all these opportunities to turn bree & Daniel in to the order but maybe IF he is working for the order at all. maybe thats not the way the plan works..you already know that the order doesn't seem intent on forcing bree to do the ceremony

Im just saying that forcing her into doing it doesn't seem what they are trying to do.

Yea... but he was talking her out of doing the ceremony in exchange for Daniel... he could have easily tried to convince her that it was her best bet to just do the ceremony[/quote]Unless maybe he sensed bree wasn't actually going through with it and had something up her sleeve. and he wanted to gain her trust more so she could tell him her plan to get Daniel without the ceremony.

(not that I believe that. I thought Jonas was evil up until a certain point. At this point, I do not believe he's evil. I think if he were evil, it would be bad for the series. Everyone's suspected Jonas at one point or another)

Anyway, Jonas has helped them run from the order. He could have broken up Bree and Daniel awhile ago and let the order take Daniel, but the order was not able to take Daniel until the whole ID problem.

[longlostposter]

Part of the bad blood between Jonas and Bree could be a result of the yet-unanswered question of how Bree captured Jonas in the first place. Given that she almost certainly couldn't overpower him, did she drug him? Pretend to seduce him?

Whatever it is, it could quite plausibly be augmenting Jonas' anger towards Bree.

Good point, TOSG. I must say I find your posts extremely perceptive.

[kassiaL]

Okay the ignoring game is really annoying, but f**k, bree is the most annoying person on the planet. "what? why are you still mad? I said I was sorry for contemplating murdering you, leaving you to starve, and thinking you killed my dad. I'm sorry I only didn't leave you to starve because Daniel refused to do it with me. I'm sorry I tied you up and questioned you like some prisoner of war. I SAID I WAS SORRY."

Jesus fucking christ, bitch.

I second that! Bree has been really annoying these past couple of videos, and it makes me a little sad really, because I miss the old Bree. I loved her in the beginning, but ever since they went on the run (way back when), I just haven't been as fond as her. And I think that Jonas is justified in his not speaking to her. After the way she treated him...

[Lurker]

I verly clearly looked at both sides from all angles, and I think Jonas is innocent. At first I was certain he wasn't, but all ALL the signs point to him being innocent. He really has had thousands of chances to turn bree and danial in to the order, and everything he's done since bree went off has proven him to be innocent. Him getting angry, him running, how weary he looks in the car. The fact that he's pissed as you know what in the car.

I think saying he's been "proven innocent" is a bit strong. Granted, you're not wrong that his behavior and all the chances he would have had to screw them in any number of ways - but didn't - would suggest he isn't, but it's still not proven.

And, really, it is crazy far beyond the point of suspicion if he's claiming to have never known about the Order before watching Bree's videos when his parents were apparently their opponents to some degree. For him to have invited them to his house and put his fortune and life on the line to this extent without knowing anything is somewhat hard to believe.

Sure it's possible, but few things aren't. Given the connections the Order - or Tachyon's group, for that matter - is supposed to have and how Gemma was a plant, it's all a little supsicious.

Again, throwing out my disclaimer, I'm not saying he's bad and I don't want to think he is. I, in fact, have come to like him a lot and even trust him (he's still second to the Beast, though, for me). But to argue that there's nothing to go on to suggest he's not telling everything he knows (whether that mean he's good, bad, or somewhere inbetween) seems to be overlooking some things to me. Of course, it could turn out that he really didn't know anything and this was all one big joke by fate, but I just don't think that seems likely.