Lonelygirl15

TheFatLady wrote:

Kasdeja wrote:
Maybe she's going to ask her father or look at his books?

Hmm. I'll be royally pissed if she's the only one who has access to whatever research materials there are. I mean, it's one thing for me to sit a thousand miles away while CuRoi goes after a dead drop, but it's entirely different if I have to depend on a fictional character to do all my information-seeking!

Should we be trying to find an Egyptian language book with gold and jewels?

omegawoman wrote: She has already stated that she enjoyed looking in her father's books too. Maybe she witnessed a few things that she shouldn't have.

Perhaps she means her father's National Geographics, the ones with all the naked rural Africans? I seem to remember that being a highlight of many childhoods . . .

omegawoman wrote: Should we be trying to find an Egyptian language book with gold and jewels?

Yes!

*scurrying off to library*

trunbuns wrote:lamest. video. ever

This smells like some BS backtracking to me from the creators.

I mean, all the early videos pointed to a religon, and all the clues pointed towards thelema. wtf? surely the creators have to know that we (the fans) weren't going to accept this?

It seems like their initial (brilliant0 foundations laid and suspense created are been thrown out of the window because they're finding it diffiCULT to incorperate this 'religion' into the story.

I mean COME ON we know it was supposed to be thelema 'Crowley, equinox, the FRONT PAGE of this website, "theres a million different f***ing religions in this world...", the summer camps. Christ..

pfff...the low point of lg15 so far in my opinion, directly after the high point.

Jeez am I pissed.....

I agree.....I mentioned the Crowley shrine earlier. It was in a ton of vlogs and now they want us to forget about all that cuz they are having issues? Not our problem.

Luv2Skydive wrote:I agree.....I mentioned the Crowley shrine earlier. It was in a ton of vlogs and now they want us to forget about all that cuz they are having issues? Not our problem.

Not necessarily. There are theories in the relgion thread that mention Crowley's link to some established secret orders. He was pretty active beyond simply Thelema. And then, there's always the possibility that Bree, being the book-geek she is, found his history fascinating and the candles are just candles. (Unlikely, but ya never know!)

TheFatLady wrote:

omegawoman wrote: Should we be trying to find an Egyptian language book with gold and jewels?

Yes!

*scurrying off to library*

I refuse to do anymore research for fear of the anger/disappointment later on when the Creators try to make something as important as Crowley/Thelema disappear. They aren't the only ones who spend a lot of time on LG15 and they need to remember that when they do $#@% like this. Not Thelema? Bullsh*t.

I never actually thought it was Thelema, based on the people who were Thelemites (is that right?) who were offended by what they considered to be a misinformed portrayal of Thelema. I mentioned this at one point in the religion section. I believe that Bree thinks it's Thelema, but it's not. There are a lot of cults who claim to be a certain religion, when really they just take what they want from a religion and turn it into something to serve their own purposes. I guess we will have to see what Bree's reaction is to this to know for sure. But we shouldn't assume that she knows what Gemma knows about it all. She has probably been told it's a legitimate religion all along.

silvermoon wrote:Not a religion? Good gosh, was not Bree and Daniel's little breakup over him not accepting her "religion"? How many freaking times have we heard that word in these videos. And now it's not a religion?!

**sigh**

And now everyone had to learn ancient Egyptian? Bree had to learn Enochian (which isn't really even a spoken language). Can't these people just speak English like everybody else?!?

What are the chances of us being able to find out anything about a made up secret society that speaks Egyptian? This is actually almost making me wish for another stupid "Proving Science Wrong"...almost.

(didn't read it all yet, but) exactly.

My biggest hope is that Gemma's just lying to us.
Bree's been calling it her 'religion' all along! how could she not be aware of what it is?!

dreamerose wrote:Perhaps we're talking two different things... Bree's religion is Bree's religion, but the Order of Denderah is a society. (Odd distinction to make, yes, when many of the things we'd call a "society" as such tend to be religious-related... but I think they're trying to move away from that "cult" image.

Hm. Your post reminded me of Catholicism and Opus Dei. Catholicism is the religion, and Opus Dei is an organization related to Catholicism that's been accused of being a secret society. (Note: the Wikipedia article seems very pro-Opus Dei.) One of the people who was unveiled as being an anti-U.S. spy was also a member of Opus Dei -- sorry, I can't remember his name.

Maybe the relationship between the Order of Denderah and Bree's religion is similar.

trainer101 wrote:"The Order of Illuminati has been traced back to the Knights Templar, to the Greek and Gnostic initiatory cults, to Egypt, even to Atlantis. The one safe generalization one can make is that Weishaupt's intent to maintain secrecy has worked; no two students of Illuminology have ever agreed totally about what the "inner secret" or purpose of the Order actually was (or is . . .). "

Trainer, I know you've been saying this for awhile, but I think after this video I'm finally willing to believe that you may have something here.

missviolet wrote:Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.

The original, not the modern Regardie reincarnation, but the Crowley-led secret society which was active right around 1888, I believe. (Two members: Rider and Waite, of the tarot card deck of the same name.) They were maniacal about secrecy -- I wonder if they had any date connection with either of the two dates we've narrowed down the ceremony to possibly be?

There would be a strong UK connection with the HOGD, too, which might explain Gemma.

This makes even more sense, missviolet.

Sigh. I think at this point I'm just gonna go outside and enjoy the beautiful weather and wait for the next set of clues.

EDITED to add:

shirble wrote:I guess they thought "Mr. Satan's Crazy Cult to Impregnate Bree" was a bit too subtle for them.

BWAHAHAHAHA! You just made my entire day!

Languorous Lass wrote:

dreamerose wrote:Perhaps we're talking two different things... Bree's religion is Bree's religion, but the Order of Denderah is a society. (Odd distinction to make, yes, when many of the things we'd call a "society" as such tend to be religious-related... but I think they're trying to move away from that "cult" image.

Hm. Your post reminded me of Catholicism and Opus Dei. Catholicism is the religion, and Opus Dei is an organization related to Catholicism that's been accused of being a secret society. (Note: the Wikipedia article seems very pro-Opus Dei.) One of the people who was unveiled as being an anti-U.S. spy was also a member of Opus Dei -- sorry, I can't remember his name.

Maybe the relationship between the Order of Denderah and Bree's religion is similar.

So what are you saying? Bree's a Russian Spy?

PushedButton wrote:So what are you saying? Bree's a Russian Spy?

Hee! Don't let the creators see this post -- they'll take the story in an entirely new direction! We'll see Bree and Daniel in trench coats next . . .

Flautapantera wrote:The caption for the video:
I am so glad to see that Bree and Daniel are okay... well sort of... but it's better than what could have happened!

"Sort of"? Gemma is saying two things at once, it seems. I'm not very sure of how worried she really is of Bree. The facade Gemma has isn't encompassing her every facet; certain oxymorons are seeping through and it's becoming very obvious, at least in my opinion, that Gemma's intentions aren't as saccharine as she wants us to believe.

If there was any speculation of the society being involved with Thelema hopefully it's very disproved now. So, The Order, huh? Sounds vaguely familiar...

wow very well said

nakita wrote:

spaciegirl wrote:This is the only comment I can think of at the moment: Are we supposed to be "pretending" that this forum was created by a fan...I mean as far as the forum being used in the actual videos? I don't know if that's clear...I mean like when Daniel came on here reading our comments, does "Daniel" think this was created by a fan? Is that how the greek "thelema" on the bottom is going to be explained?...since, according to Gemma, Bree's "religion" is not Thelema and not even a religion at all? Was that coherent?

I think we're pretneding this forum was created by a fan the way we're pretneding that the videos are real.

agreed after all the website is "A Tribute to Lonely Girl" Not the official lonelygirl website.

nakita wrote:

khjq wrote:I just went to wikipedia and typed in The Order...this is what I got...

The Order (also called the Silent Brotherhood and Aryan Resistance Movement) was a neo-Nazi organization active in the United States between 1983 and 1984. The Order described themselves as a "white nationalist revolutionary group"'.

click here if you want to read more,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Order_%28group%29

Ha I know this isn't relevant...well I hope not...well it would be wierd if it was though...

It's also the name of a not-so-scary movie that deals more with the end of the world and less with secret society. The Creators picked such a dumb name; a million billion things pop up on google with the word 'order' in them

Lonelygirl is going to end up being finaced by vince McMahon and the WWE and the order is all a set up for a relaunching of the nWo. Bree has been worshipping at the alter of

robtomorrow wrote:

roxybebito wrote:But what about the equinox and the religion camp?

Yes and,

Aleister Crowley, Enochian, Bibliomancy, the Unicusal Hexagram (at the top of LG15 page), Thelema (in Greek at the bottom of the page), 10/12/06 (Crowleys Birthday),the Ceremony, The Order of Denderah, the injections, the maps (on Lucy's computer), Elders, Deacons, communes and communities.

How do all these clues and dropped hints fit together?

And now Gemma "it is not Thelema, but a secret society, called The Order" and they learn ancient Egyptian.

I'm confused, does anyone think there is any consistency here? Or are they just making it up as they go, the hell with consistency!

Gemma could be giving false info.