0135 - Yellow Snow [2/19/07]

Kristine · Post by **Kristine** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:53 pm

Is Jonas daydreaming about Bre again? Same spot as last time or is it different? (re: heart)

ETA: I noticed someone else brought this up previously in the thread already as well.

kristin · Post by **kristin** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:58 pm

Its funny, the way they perpetuate the Jonas-being-gay thing, but at this point I doubt they're going to announce that its true. I know quite a few guys who behave similarly to Jonas, and they are definitely straight -- its just their weird sense of humor.

And I really hope Jonas' calls were innocent, I don't want him to be a bad guy now.

Kasdeja · Post by **Kasdeja** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:00 pm

I doubt the gay thing or much of the perceived 'romance' are anything but our imaginations.

imogene2004 · Post by **imogene2004** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:04 pm

kristin wrote: And I really hope Jonas' calls were innocent, I don't want him to be a bad guy now.

No kidding! Just as soon as we start thinking we can really trust him, he better not prove us wrong!

That would be just like a man, though, wouldn't it?

JK (I hope no one was offended, just a joke)

ericski · Post by **ericski** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:08 pm

imogene2004 wrote:
kristin wrote: And I really hope Jonas' calls were innocent, I don't want him to be a bad guy now.
No kidding! Just as soon as we start thinking we can really trust him, he better not prove us wrong! That would be just like a man, though, wouldn't it? JK (I hope no one was offended, just a joke)

oh no you di'-nt

chevyfudd · Post by **chevyfudd** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:12 pm

He is rich, so there probably is electricity.

theresascraps · Post by **theresascraps** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:13 pm

Oh yeah it is Lake tahoe, they have been getting a lot of snow. Plus, why show the lake at the end unless the want us to know?

THERESA

chevyfudd · Post by **chevyfudd** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:14 pm

I noticed the heart in the other videos too.

About the elctricity, they could have uploaded this video from the cabin.

krmurr87 · Post by **krmurr87** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:23 pm

ok i'm back from kicking my exams ass....back to LG15 world

SO NO ONE HAS MENTIONED THIS!!!! this entire video was Bree and Jonas flirting!! well at least being all "buddy-buddy"

Ex 1: they are sitting next to each other in the car Daniel in the back..by his lonesome

EX2: "SO uh (sly look and side smile) you should go check on him Bree"
"Maybe I should"
"Maybe you should"

Ex3: teaming up on daniel awww bonding

EX 4: Jonas: "She's been in there for awhile I hope she's buying me something (same dreamy look) Hot Chocolate"

Ex 5: Bickering about the cell phone in a playful way "Okay bree I won't do it anymore" she zooms in right to his face and the heart in back

immortal1 · Post by **immortal1** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:31 pm

Kasdeja wrote:lmao, I think any comments like that are there on purpose because they think it's a joke that so many go on the "so and so is flirting with so and so" tangent anytime they have a normal 'buddy' or 'friend' chemistry going.

Yeah I think they definitely are aware we are watching Jonas and Daniel and how they interact. But at the same time I would never offer to "lend a hand" to a buddy and I'm sure they wouldn't offer to lend one to me and I'm pretty secure when it comes to that kind of thing.

I've actually been thinking for a long time this series is being modelled after Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Not saying exactly but similar, at least the functions the characters are fulfilling.

Bree=Buffy (pre-TV when she was just learning her role)
Daniel=Xander
Tachyon=Faith
Jonas=Willow?

bethy · Post by **bethy** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:32 pm

It is certainly a screwed up view of free will, but in the strictest sense of speaking, it is her choice. I guess that's good enough for the Order.

It's only her choice in so much that she has to make it herself. It doesn't matter that OpA is hounding her to make their preferred decision.

But it's like a mother give her the choice between scrubbing the toilet or being grounded for a month. Noeith option is particulalrly appealing...but Mom still says, "It's your choice...." with the eyebrow raised.

Bree's has choices...but the choices are still controlled by an outside influence. That's not free will. Free will is the ability to make any choice you want, free of outside influences. Now...don't get the freedom to choose confused with the freedom from consequence. A lot of people do that...they think I can do A, and nothing will happen to me because I'm free to choose that. That's a common, and yet incorrect assumption. As a general rule, we cannot control the consequences of our actions. Remember Newton's Third Law.

However, in the "mom" example...there is no choice, really...you are given a command and a consequence if disobedience. Mom "spins" it as a choice for manipulation...but it's not true free will.

That's how I'm seeing this situation with Bree. If she were trule free to make her own choices...Opa wouldn't have kidnapped Daniel in order to manipulate her decision. They wouldn't be hounding her and scaring her. They've given her a command, and she is being disobedient...not the same a free will.

kevintheomanharris · Post by **kevintheomanharris** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:32 pm

theresascraps wrote:Oh yeah it is Lake tahoe, they have been getting a lot of snow. Plus, why show the lake at the end unless the want us to know?

THERESA

there are plenty of other lakes in various mountain areas in california with snow. arrowhead and big bear being the first two that come to mind, since everything else is filmed in the greater smelLA area.

anyways, i'm doubtful on tahoe.

Onewen · Post by **Onewen** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:35 pm

immortal1 wrote:I've actually been thinking for a long time this series is being modelled after Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Not saying exactly but similar, at least the functions the characters are fulfilling.

Bree=Buffy (pre-TV when she was just learning her role)
Daniel=Xander
Tachyon=Faith
Jonas=Willow?

Interesting thought...was thinking Daniel would be more like Angel (including the darker alter-ego side...) and Jonas would be Xander...kinda seems to really care for her, but realizes that Daniel/Angel really has her heart! And Tach?...that'd be Giles: The one who's been through all of this and now will train the newbie.

um...ok...so...I've watched way too much Buffy...established.

bethy · Post by **bethy** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:36 pm

anyways, i'm doubtful on tahoe.

I am, too. Butl...let's not forget that the actors WERE in San Fransisco on Saturday.

http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6584

krmurr87 · Post by **krmurr87** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:36 pm

bethy wrote:
It is certainly a screwed up view of free will, but in the strictest sense of speaking, it is her choice. I guess that's good enough for the Order.

It's only her choice in so much that she has to make it herself. It doesn't matter that OpA is hounding her to make their preferred decision.

But it's like a mother give her the choice between scrubbing the toilet or being grounded for a month. Noeith option is particulalrly appealing...but Mom still says, "It's your choice...." with the eyebrow raised.

Bree's has choices...but the choices are still controlled by an outside influence. That's not free will. Free will is the ability to make any choice you want, free of outside influences. Now...don't get the freedom to choose confused with the freedom from consequence. A lot of people do that...they think I can do A, and nothing will happen to me because I'm free to choose that. That's a common, and yet incorrect assumption. As a general rule, we cannot control the consequences of our actions. Remember Newton's Third Law.

However, in the "mom" example...there is no choice, really...you are given a command and a consequence if disobedience. Mom "spins" it as a choice for manipulation...but it's not true free will.

That's how I'm seeing this situation with Bree. If she were trule free to make her own choices...Opa wouldn't have kidnapped Daniel in order to manipulate her decision. They wouldn't be hounding her and scaring her. They've given her a command, and she is being disobedient...not the same a free will.

I started a thread in Plot discussion about Free will and the order based on these ideas I think it gives us a new look into the order and how they think

Lonelygirl15

0135 - Yellow Snow [2/19/07]

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