BOTH GEMMA AND JONAS ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED

butterfly · Post by **butterfly** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:50 pm

I think both Gemma and Jonas are affiliated with the order. Here's my theory:

Gemma is affiliated with the order, and is being guided to tell Bree and Daniel to go home. But she drops a hint that they should not trust anyone but themselves in her vlog, Bad Decisions. That tells me that she is forced to correspond with Bree to get her where The Order wants her, but can't admit it. So, she drops little hints in her vlog, hoping Bree will pick up on them.

Jonas is also affiliated with the order, and is trying to get Bree to stay with him.

The Order is setting up Bree and Daniel from both ends. They're playing a game of chess. Either way, if Bree and Daniel go home or go to Jonas', they're doomed.

Post by **Broken Kid** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:13 pm

Well, we know that Gemma is part of the same group as Bree. And she sure knows a heck of a lot more about it than Bree does... Bree didn't even know it was "The Order", of all things.

Gemma did come out of nowhere... "Oh, Bree, remember me? So here's how I'm going to help you..." That's suspicious.

I don't particularly like Jonas, but so far he hasn't shown any obvious ties to the Order, so I'm inclined to trust him over Gemma.

iamcool · Post by **iamcool** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:15 pm

i dont get how gemma and bree were frends back then, when she mentioned gemmas dog she would of surely have mentioned gemma if they were frends

Post by **Broken Kid** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:17 pm

iamcool wrote:i dont get how gemma and bree were frends back then, when she mentioned gemmas dog she would of surely have mentioned gemma if they were frends

True...they weren't really friends. They knew each other... That makes Gemma a good choice for the Order to use...

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:38 pm

Broken Kid wrote:I don't particularly like Jonas, but so far he hasn't shown any obvious ties to the Order, so I'm inclined to trust him over Gemma.

I'm inclined to trust Gemma over Jonas because we at least know something about her that Bree can verify. Also, most of the advice Gemma has given would run counter to helping the Order, I would think.

iamcool wrote:i dont get how gemma and bree were frends back then, when she mentioned gemmas dog she would of surely have mentioned gemma if they were frends

Bree and Gemma implied that it was just the dog she was friends with. Nonetheless, she remembers Gemma. They probably weren't super close pals because Gemma's older.

Languorous Lass · Post by **Languorous Lass** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:17 pm

butterfly, I think you're right about Gemma and Jonas both being affiliated with the Order -- but I think Gemma's being forced to cooperate, and is trying to send coded messages about Jonas to Bree and Daniel through her latest vid. Please take a look at my post in this thread and see what you think.

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:01 pm

Languorous Lass wrote:butterfly, I think you're right about Gemma and Jonas both being affiliated with the Order -- but I think Gemma's being forced to cooperate, and is trying to send coded messages about Jonas to Bree and Daniel through her latest vid. Please take a look at my post in this thread and see what you think.

I agree with this. Definitely seems like Gemma's acting strange, but I still think she's good. This would explain all that.

Ziola · Post by **Ziola** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:09 pm

As much as I don't think Gemma and Jonas shouldn't be trusted, I have to be honest and say I have some doubts about our lovely little heroine, Bree. For some reason, I don't trust her. Maybe its because she comes across all sweet and perfect and I find that really disturbing. And because I think she knows WAY more then she's telling us. I don't know, I can't come up with a great reason, just more of a "gut feeling".

::covers head and waits for the shouting::

JustAnotherLonelyGirl. · Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:17 pm

i think gemma's being forced by the order to feed bree false info.

alex · Post by **alex** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:58 am

it would be delightful if jonas found a reason for bree and daniel not to trust gemma (perhaps some sort of OpAphid affiliation accidently shown in the corner of one of her videos?) and points it out in order to gain their trust.

alex · Post by **alex** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:00 am

and by the way, her little anticdote about why you shouldn't trust anyone might be a clue not to trust her. which would reinforce the idea that the order got to her between "scared to go home" and "daniel is right."

butterfly · Post by **butterfly** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:30 am

L. Lass, EXACTLY! I agree with you 100%.

JustAnotherLonelyGirl - that's what I was trying to say.

Glad to hear my theory isn't crazy

butterfly · Post by **butterfly** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:32 am

The way I see it, the only out of this mess if for Bree and Daniel to move out of the area, take a job that pays cash and lie low for a while, until the order moves onto someone else...

hella_samira · Post by **hella_samira** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:39 pm

I dunno I just can't buy into the whole idea that Gemma is being force d to tell Bree these things. I just really really don't trust her. Everything about her is so SKETCHY.

I mean, what is the reason that her accent so horrid? Is it SUPPOSED to be like that so we suspect her? In that case there would probably be some crazy twist where she really is trying to help them, but I agree with everyone saying how she's trying to lead them home when Bree's house is obviously being watched by OpAphid.

And Jonas:
I don't understand him. I mean it seems like he's just a good guy trying to help, but the whole deal where he showed his house with all closed doors? Yeah that's not cool. That was pretty much sketch central. BUT...I'm led to trust him because Gemma doesn't like him. And I definitely think Gemma is up to no good.

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BOTH GEMMA AND JONAS ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED

BOTH GEMMA AND JONAS ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED

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