Small Theory. Gemma and Jonas.

[incantation_mantra]

(I haven't planned this out before writing it, so i'll warn you that it's probably going to be all over the place.)


So

in Jonas' last video, he showed footage of Gemma with Bree's Helper, Lucy.

Regarding the way that Jonas said "turns out that she's working for the order, doesn't even live in London"
to me, he said it so casually, when in reality, if they just found out that Gemma, this person they trusted, had betrayed them, I think it would have been said with a little more anger or emotion then it was said with.

Personally, I think that Jonas knows full well that Gemma wasn't a part of this. I think that the reason Gemma isn't in London now is that The Order have gotten to her, and are making her post more and more videos in order to guide Bree straight too them. I think Jonas sees this as the perfect chance to turn Bree against Gemma, and onto his side.
His side being not with the order, but with another group that is after Bree.
That may be a little far fetched but I don't believe that Jonas can be trusted, but I also don't believe that he is working with The Order.

I know there is the whole 'if Gemma started off in London and was brought to the US by The Order, why do her videos still have the same set' thing. And I haven't figured out that part yet, but the more I watch the series, the more I think that Gemma started out as a friend, and has now been made to betray Bree.

Onto Jonas.
I don't think that Bree is staying in her room by choice. I think that Jonas has her locked up, and is saying that she's upset and not leaving her room to
1. Explain her lack of videos and presence in his videos.
2. To make Daniel feel guilty and have him come back to be with her, therefore Jonas having both Bree and Daniel locked up.

Jonas says 'it's like she's put herself in some kind of solitatry confinment, you know like Prison style'.
If you look at his smile after he says 'Prison Style', it's not a friendly smile, it's evil.


So to make it short.

Gemma = Good
Jonas = Bad
Jonas has Bree locked up and is using her to get Daniel to come to him.
Gemma was caught by the order, and is forced to keep making videos (she's using small hints to tell Bree she's in trouble, like the dying rose)



Thanks for reading my little ramblings.
It is so hot today, it's like 42 degrees celcius, which is like 107 degrees Fahrenheit.
Have a good day, let me know what you think of the theory i stated above.

Cheers Guys.

[Leaven]

Well, Jonas never had any emotional ties to Gemma, so him not overly freaking out makes sense. When we finally get a new vid with Bree, I am sure she will discuss the Gemma revelation with a bit more emotion.

[SharpI]

Bree and Gemma never were good friends, apparently. They intersected because Bree became good friends with Gemma's dog.

It's possible that Gemma has been "captured" by the Order, after she fled the Watcher, probably. But I don' t think so. Her advice all along has been dodgy - "it's not your decision" - and I think that her own sighting of a Watcher was made up just to nudge Bree and Daniel closer to panic. Which isn't to say, however, that she's thoroughly evil, won't turn or can't be turned.

[Lurker]

Her advice all along has been dodgy - "it's not your decision"

I thought that was good advice. Bree was way too naive about the idea that her parents could just say "Bree doesn't want to do it" and that it would be over with. Really, Gemma's advice proved true there.

and I think that her own sighting of a Watcher was made up just to nudge Bree and Daniel closer to panic.

Could be. Most people agree that it would be darn near impossible to see that mark unless you were looking for it, if even then. It'd be easy to trick yourself into thinking that's what it was if you were actively trying to see it. That said, either it was really there or I managed to trick myself.

Which isn't to say, however, that she's thoroughly evil, won't turn or can't be turned.

That's fair.

[le dork]

What bugs me is that if Gemma really were part of the Order, then it'd be kind of dumb for Bree to continue posting vids, since Gemma knows where to go looking for the vids.

So I'm thinking maybe she was coerced, as hypothesized above, into working with the order, explaining why she shows up in Tachyon's vid. Hopefully she won't tell the Order about the vids.

Or, maybe she really can't be trusted. In which case, Jonas is really stupid for posting vids saying, "hey, Bree is here, at my house!"

Unless, of course, Bree *isn't* with Jonas and is really with Daniel, and the three of them hatched this plan to make it *look* like she's hanging out with Jonas, to get the Order off their trail. This is also a possibility since we still haven't seen Bree at Jonas's house.

Okay, those were my initial thoughts after watching the vid.

[avian_firefly]

Well, Jonas never had any emotional ties to Gemma, so him not overly freaking out makes sense. When we finally get a new vid with Bree, I am sure she will discuss the Gemma revelation with a bit more emotion.

exactly what i was going to say ^_^

[lejaders]

maybe bree told lucy about her videos (since they did become quite close it seems) and gemma was a big ploy to keep an eye on bree... maybe they tracked down someone from bree's past to gain her trust and do their bidding... ?

[zachary2020]

In tachyon's video, where it shows Gemma going up into the building where Lucy has her apartment, Gemma doesn't look stressed or like she's being coerced. She looks deliberate and like she's sort of on a "mission".

Unless she's trying to divert Lucy and help keep Daniel from being harmed, she looks like she's a willing accomplice with the Order.

[omegawoman]

I am now wondering if Gemma will post anymore videos herself. She has to know now that everyone saw her with Lucy.

[AniDonia]

True that if someone was hiding from a vast secret society/conspiracy/cult with far-ranging ties to just about everything, they wouldn't be post vlogs every other day giving an update on themselves, or having a "fan site" set up so their online friends can meet. That part we just have to suspend disbelief because otherwise there would be no story for us to follow.

That said, until (or unless) Bree posts a video, I'm not trusting Gemma or Jonas. The only one I trust is Daniel.

I don't think Gemma was ever "good".

1. She never said how she got out of, or even if she got out of, the Order
2. The timing of her advice was always so convenient, yet didn't make internal sense:

-Bree falters on going through with the ceremoney--then Gemma shows up, tells her she HAS to, or ELSE. Also tells her what an honor it is to be selected (implies that the Order/religion is a positive thing)

-Bree goes on the run. Now Gemma supports her, and does "research" and gives her advice. Gemma conveniently spots and points out figures that she calls "Watchers". Note the time she saw the Watchers symbol on the hand in the supermarket. Even with the higher resolution and bigger screens on Revver, that blotch on the hand is pretty much impossible to see--much less suddenly notice as it blips by on the screen.

- But when their room gets ransacked--implying they are in more danger than ever--Gemma tells them to go home because "it's been long enough, they're probably over it by now". Um duh? The Order was Bree's religion--they freaking KNOW where she lives!


Granted, she really could have been coerced by the Order, but given the nature of Tachy's vid, that doesn't seem likely.


Jonas, on the other hand... until Bree actually shows up and says "I'm fine", I don't trust him. He sounds nice... but what if he is ALSO working for somebody who wants Bree, and now he is trying to lure Daniel there to capture him too?

[Lurker]

-Bree falters on going through with the ceremoney--then Gemma shows up, tells her she HAS to, or ELSE. Also tells her what an honor it is to be selected (implies that the Order/religion is a positive thing)

She never did that. She told Bree that they wouldn't listen to her if she said she didn't want to do it, and made it clear that these guys are controlling -- even with regular people like her (as opposed to special ones like Bree). She even said she always felt like there was something wrong with the community. She never painted the Order as a positive thing. Certain individuals (such as Bree's mom and the family who disappeared) she spoke of in a good way, but never the community itself.

The rest of what you mention could be valid concerns, though.

[Psychojenny48]

I just have two comments:

1. Starting with the premise that Jonas is working for the Order (not that I agree or disagree, just to start somewhere ), I don't know why he would necessarily care whether Daniel was with Bree or not. There isn't really any evidence to show that Daniel was important to them in any way other than his connection to Bree. So why would he want to entice Daniel to come to him, especially when they know exactly where he is and what he is doing (remember the video camera in his room). If they wanted him they could just go get him.

2. Starting with the premise that Jonas is good and helping to make the order think that she is with him, if D&B and Jonas were really really smart, they would have taken some stock footage of Bree in Jonas' house to use for later, that way it would be more convincing than saying she is too depressed to come out.

I am on the fence about the motives behind what Jonas is doing, these are just points for either theory.

[prapagandaseden]

I personally think that Gemma might not be there by her free will.

I dont know how far fetched this is but ever since she got freaked out by the whole watcher thing i think that maybe she was treatened or maybe captured.

That rose in her last video makes me wonder if it is in fact a clue or a sign...

Now, Im just a mutated robot chicken space laywer, but i think she is being held against her will to make these videos...to me they have changed ever since te pub thing.

And how this guy was two timing gemma...seems strange...maybe he was part of the Order sent to seduce...roar...gemmers?

Anyway i dont know if this makes sense or if this is the place to talk about it...sorry if i didnt folow forum rules...i will move or fix it if nessary

Anyway my ramon noodles are burning my lap...bye

[livelongandprosper77]

Well, Jonas never had any emotional ties to Gemma, so him not overly freaking out makes sense. When we finally get a new vid with Bree, I am sure she will discuss the Gemma revelation with a bit more emotion.

Couldn't be said any better than that. When you are closer to someone and they betray you, you definitely feel it more than an outsider like Jonas would. I mean he is barely beginning to even realize the depth of the situation he has gotten into. We all seen this through one of his latest videos where he says "I think i may be in a little bit over my head here." However, with time as he becomes more closely connected with Bree and the circumstances she is in I guarantee his view and feelings in future videos will change accordingly.

[incantation_mantra]

yeah true but it still seemed, i don't know, weird.