A rant.

[junetown]

UGH. I HATE where this story is going.

The writers have made Bree out to be a complete retard. One who seems to grow and says she's done making mistakes, only to be kicked into the dirt for making more mistakes (Ala Jonas being tied up and putting a screwdriver into his hand)

Uh, Daniel was just pissed at Jonas not long ago at all for supposedly having a crush on Bree. So what is this and him being all over "Aunt Alex"? So it's okay for him to like multiple girls but it's not okay for guys to like Bree?

I don't like the new character. I don't like how horridly the story is portraying the main character. I no longer like how Daniel is being portrayed. This is just getting cheesy.

Please get somewhere - fast. And for the love of God make me (and those who agree) like Bree again. She needs some .. genuine feelings? Especially towards people.


Do I sound like an angsty 12 year old yet!?!?

[Lurker]

UGH. I HATE where this story is going.

The writers have made Bree out to be a complete retard. One who seems to grow and says she's done making mistakes, only to be kicked into the dirt for making more mistakes (Ala Jonas being tied up and putting a screwdriver into his hand)

Trust me, they know. I alone have probably complained loudly enough about Bree for them to have taken notice on several occasions - but you and I haven't been the only ones.

That said, it appears with "Training Hard" that they're making an attempt at giving her some maturity. I believe they've decided to make her likable again, and we'll see that soon.

Uh, Daniel was just pissed at Jonas not long ago at all for supposedly having a crush on Bree. So what is this and him being all over "Aunt Alex"? So it's okay for him to like multiple girls but it's not okay for guys to like Bree?

Daniel's clearly over Bree at this point. As seen in "Beach Bum," he's no longer concerned with doing what she tells him to do and isn't preoccupied with protecting her from every little mess she gets herself into.

In "Aunt Alex," he didn't even seem bothered by the fact that she was gone. He mostly used reference to the fact to pick at Jonas, not to be depressed. Daniel's moved on, so I don't think this point sticks.

Please get somewhere - fast.

As one of the more opinionated and vocal critics of the series, I can honestly say I think they are going places. We've seen a good pace in the writing lately, with a good balance of plot advancement and characterization.

Daniel's finally gotten over Bree and begun to mature.
Bree's possibly on the right track to becoming more mature herself.
We've gotten lots of answered questions lately.

I think currently this is the height of the series' storytelling, to be honest.

And for the love of God make me (and those who agree) like Bree again. She needs some .. genuine feelings? Especially towards people.

We agree there, but I do believe they're working on it as we speak, and I trust they'll pull it off.

[Sami]

I agree. Everything kinda sucks atm, but I think the creators will get back on track, making some good stuff

[longlostposter]

Daniel's clearly over Bree at this point. As seen in "Beach Bum," he's no longer concerned with doing what she tells him to do and isn't preoccupied with protecting her from every little mess she gets herself into.

In "Aunt Alex," he didn't even seem bothered by the fact that she was gone. He mostly used reference to the fact to pick at Jonas, not to be depressed. Daniel's moved on, so I don't think this point sticks.

Strongly agree, and it's high time. He's a free man, ladies.

Please get somewhere - fast.

As one of the more opinionated and vocal critics of the series, I can honestly say I think they are going places. We've seen a good pace in the writing lately, with a good balance of plot advancement and characterization.

Daniel's finally gotten over Bree and begun to mature.
Bree's possibly on the right track to becoming more mature herself.
We've gotten lots of answered questions lately.

I think currently this is the height of the series' storytelling, to be honest.

Yep. I'm thoroughly please with where the story is going at this time. I think the trio had to split up, as it was getting old watching them day in and day out. A change of pace, scenery, Daniel's attitude towards Bree, and a new character has added freshness and new depth to the plot. Major change was needed, and took place. Kudos, writers.

And for the love of God make me (and those who agree) like Bree again. She needs some .. genuine feelings? Especially towards people.

We agree there, but I do believe they're working on it as we speak, and I trust they'll pull it off.

Let's hope so. I can't take much more of the Bree we've been seeing since the hotel sequence; even if it is the normal reaction of a teenage girl losing her father and facing the fact that her life is, at this point, totally control by some unknown and evil extraneous force.

[Widdershin]

I can understand how you feel junetown- but just the fact that you care so much is probably good news to the writers. It's an old chesnut for writers that if they elicit such an emotional response or see so many people attached to their characters- then they're doing the right thing.

Also - ALL nineteen year old guys think it's okay for whatever girl they like to only ever have thoughts of them - even if they were never together.

The a*****e (I can say a*****e, right?) attitude and immature drooling is really common. I'd actually say it's an acurate portrayal of teenage hormones. No matter how nice/mature/"good" a older teenage boy is - he's gonna act like a total ass and get lead around by his *ahem* feelings . Bree hasn't returned his feelings and I'm sure fi she did he'd drop Alex. Daniel probably thinks he's done everything he's obligated to do "for" Bree.

I think it's a display of how he's not growing up too fast. I think it kinda works- he was pretty boring when he was whining about Jonas being tied up. I think it's good they don't make them all super-spy saints. But I agree he is acting like a complete asshat.

( I think I put " ass" in two paragraphs. WHOO!)

As for Bree- she lived in an extremely controled enviroment where she was usually always right- I think ( even though she usually leans more towards rationale than DB or Jonas- when not crazy) it's good for her to get a little humility. To grow and have more realistic expectations of men. I mean her dad was the only positive parent she had. I think she expected too much from Jonas and Daniel- emotionally. While I htink they're both worthy characters...dealing with a girl who found out her religion she was so proud of is a total lie, her parents were plants to brainwash her, and all her life was a huge set-up , leaving her home, and then having her father die after realizing her mom is evil?

Come on- she had a right to act " retarded" or "horrid", she's a seventeen year old ex-cultist. She gave up being the daughter of some of the head honchos and a respected place in her community to go on the road with a guy who tried to tell the whole-wide internet he banged her! Of ocurse she acted like a crazy bitch.

PEople expected her to act like her good little self while it hasn't even been a year since( I repeat) : Her dad died, she ofund out her mom was evil, she found out her whole life was a LIE, her first best friend she was tip-toeing towards romance with went and lied about her sex life to the internet ( she's a kinda private person) and the guy who pretty much signed a release form on Bree's emotional baggage has gotten over his head and pretty much took her best friend from her.


I think they're doing pretty well. I don't think she is going to suddenly be normal- she never was. She was raised by a cult- she isn't going to suddenly start going all Sarah Jessica parker ( in sex in the city) and going at any guy with a studio. She probably wouldn't tell Daniel how she feels about him- even if she was going to die. She was working all of her scoial skills when trying to apologize to Jonas- I think she's tried her hardest the whole time.

I think she's doing better than I would be. I'd have left Daniel and Jonas tied to chairs.

Also I hate aunt Alex too! If she was actually all that aware of being judged on her appearance- she'd do somehting about those lebrea pores. Ye gods- I'm not saying we should all try to look perfect all the time- but she would NOT sell any clothes with pores like that. Especially not at the volume or with the scucess she implies. She should have the actress who plays Bree do her make-up. Her whole face lookes like some alien mask. It's shiney and unnaturally pale for a woman who has a house in California and her pores are huge and clogged. Really bad. Please creators- I am not a perfectionist. I don't even know how liquid foundation works( so if you're reading this), so I'm not some OCD chick or a critical babe- I'm pretty average and maybe even my knowledge of proper skin care is a little small ( I only found out what toner did last year) but even I noticed it. That means it's bad.

Just huge- I can't look at anything else- Jonas has better skin...or make -up. Hey! Have the dude what plays Jonas do her make-up.

All those close-ups put me off lunch , I think it was the lighting- just so you guys know ...that lighting was not friendly to her. That may be why she looked like she was sitting on a beartrap.

[longlostposter]

Agree about the pores. Even the screencap looks terrible, as far as they go.

However, I like Alex.

[HyeMew]

I don't dislike Alex and think she had a pretty good banter with Daniel in the latest episode On the Hot Seat, but I feel there's a lot of discrepancy surrounding her.
Jonas says he hasn't seen his aunt in 5 years, ever since his parents dissapeared they stopped talking.
Yet, they show up at her house and he somehow knows she's away on business.
He decides to call her and suddenly they're picking her up at the airport (though presumably if she went alone shouldn't her car be there waiting for her? Or did she somehow know her long lost nephew would happen to call her while she was away?)
Then at home, instead of seeing some interesting "getting to re-know you" Anna & the King stuff (j/k), Jonas in the latest episode goes over to her and kisses her on the head. OK, I understand you did that to imply relation- but imagine if you hadn't seen your aunt in 5 years and had a very uneasy relationship. Then suddenly you met her for the first time ever. Would you just be (clearly affectionately) kissing her on the head? I mean they acted like they had known each other the whole time and that there was nothing awkward between them. I would have liked some realism shown in their relationship, the fact is that they just shouldn't be acting like a normal nephew and aunt yet. Besides that I'm open-minded on the character and hope she can lead to good things. At least she'd so far better than the last proposed female character (Gemma...)

[Lurker]

Come on- she had a right to act " retarded" or "horrid", she's a seventeen year old ex-cultist. She gave up being the daughter of some of the head honchos and a respected place in her community to go on the road with a guy who tried to tell the whole-wide internet he banged her! Of ocurse she acted like a crazy bitch.

PEople expected her to act like her good little self while it hasn't even been a year since( I repeat) : Her dad died, she ofund out her mom was evil, she found out her whole life was a LIE, her first best friend she was tip-toeing towards romance with went and lied about her sex life to the internet...

He never said they had sex as far as I could tell. Maybe the term has changed over the last few years, but at least where I grew up, "hooking up" meant "getting together with someone" - as boyfriend/girlfriend. It didn't necessarily mean anything more than that.

For that matter, why would he lie about that? He'd know he'd get caught. He only reported the truth (that she instigated a make-out session with him) and his euphoric, optimistic interpretation of what it meant (that they were maybe going to be going out after that). To rag on him for that (after what Bree did to him in cruel fashion a couple of videos later) is like blaming New Orleans for existing during that whole Hurricane Katrina incident.

[Long rant on Alex's skin]

I admit I'm no dermatologist, but I thought she looked fine.

I don't dislike Alex and think she had a pretty good banter with Daniel in the latest episode On the Hot Seat, but I feel there's a lot of discrepancy surrounding her.
Jonas says he hasn't seen his aunt in 5 years, ever since his parents dissapeared they stopped talking.
Yet, they show up at her house and he somehow knows she's away on business.

This has been discussed at length. It's generally agreed that just because they haven't physically been in one another's presence in six or so years doesn't mean they've not spoken to one another.

He decides to call her and suddenly they're picking her up at the airport (though presumably if she went alone shouldn't her car be there waiting for her? Or did she somehow know her long lost nephew would happen to call her while she was away?)

This was also brought up. Many people take cabs to the airport so they don't have to leave their car in the airport parking for weeks on end and then pay tons of money unnecessarily. It's cheaper to pay for two cab rides.

Then at home, instead of seeing some interesting "getting to re-know you" Anna & the King stuff (j/k), Jonas in the latest episode goes over to her and kisses her on the head. OK, I understand you did that to imply relation- but imagine if you hadn't seen your aunt in 5 years and had a very uneasy relationship. Then suddenly you met her for the first time ever. Would you just be (clearly affectionately) kissing her on the head?

To be fair, we didn't get to see everything they've talked about since she got back, and it was never implied that they had an uneasy relationship.

Jonas even said he missed her, so it's no surprise that there's affection from him.

[HyeMew]

I don't dislike Alex and think she had a pretty good banter with Daniel in the latest episode On the Hot Seat, but I feel there's a lot of discrepancy surrounding her.
Jonas says he hasn't seen his aunt in 5 years, ever since his parents dissapeared they stopped talking.
Yet, they show up at her house and he somehow knows she's away on business.

This has been discussed at length. It's generally agreed that just because they haven't physically been in one another's presence in six or so years doesn't mean they've not spoken to one another.

I always had a different perception of things, mainly stemming from this line by Jonas:
"I wish my aunt was here, actually. I - I miss her; I haven't seen her since I was like... thirteen? Things got kind of awkward after, uh, my parents were gone. You know, I think that she just didn't know what to say. I mean, really, what do you say?" -"My Hand Hurts"

So they stopped seeing each other because she didn't know what to say and so they basically drifted apart. The fact she "didn't know what to say" caused it sure implies they stopped talking all together. At least, I don't see why if they were in contact the not seeing each other would be so necessary, since they would have contact at the very least.

Also, I think we aren't meant to think about the fact that it would be highly irresponsible of anyone, no matter how "awkward", to allow your sibling's thirteen-year-old kid to just live on his own and without even contact with you in his time of need after becoming orphaned. This in my book makes Auntie Alex a b*tch, however I'm not going to let backstory events colour the way I see her.

[Lurker]

So they stopped seeing each other because she didn't know what to say and so they basically drifted apart. The fact she "didn't know what to say" caused it sure implies they stopped talking all together.

I don't see it that way, but I guess we can't really know until we learn more. The fact that Jonas knew there was a hidden key, though, tells me he'd probably talked with her and she'd told him he could come to her place anytime.

Also, I think we aren't meant to think about the fact that it would be highly irresponsible of anyone, no matter how "awkward", to allow your sibling's thirteen-year-old kid to just live on his own and without even contact with you in his time of need after becoming orphaned. This in my book makes Auntie Alex a b*tch, however I'm not going to let backstory events colour the way I see her.

Jonas said she wasn't much older than him. She might have just been a teenager at the time herself. Jonas wouldn't have been the only one hurting anyway. I doubt he knew what to say to her either. It would be a hard situation for two kids - especially if their feelings and aspirations led them to make very different decisions with their lives.

[HyeMew]

If she was a teenager at the time too, why didn't his grandparents take him in? Was Aunt Alex a teenage orphan as well? If that was the case I don't know how she was functioning on her own and it would only make sense for the two waifs to join forces and live in that big mansion together.

And I don't know how you still can't see it my way after that direct quote from Jonas. Just because he knew where the hidden key was could just as easily be a plot hole than explained away by them having just-so-happened talked one time and about that personal info no less. I'm not saying you are wrong for not seeing it my way, but if you re-read that quote I think it speaks for itself.

[colbertnationgirl]

Daniel's clearly over Bree at this point.

NOOOOOOO!!!!!

[RiverFleur]

It truly is normal teenage behavior on Daniels part... but it's pissing me off.

Jonas and Daniels indifference to Bree's leaving makes me think they were all never really good friends to begin with.

I'm glad that Bree left, and she shouldn't appologize to Jonas. I hope Tachyon teaches her well and that Bree's learns to fight for herself and stick up against the Order... and Bree should find herself a man who really appreciates her and has an attention span longer than that of a goldfish!

[Lurker]

If she was a teenager at the time too, why didn't his grandparents take him in?

He may not have wanted to leave the house where he'd lived with his parents (assuming he even had grandparents at that point).

Was Aunt Alex a teenage orphan as well? If that was the case I don't know how she was functioning on her own and it would only make sense for the two waifs to join forces and live in that big mansion together.

While it would make sense, they may have wanted to do different things with their lives (and, again, Jonas may not have wanted to leave his house, while she may not have wanted to leave hers). If she was 18 or 19 at the time she could have been living on her own.

And I don't know how you still can't see it my way after that direct quote from Jonas. Just because he knew where the hidden key was could just as easily be a plot hole than explained away by them having just-so-happened talked one time and about that personal info no less.

I'm not saying you are wrong for not seeing it my way, but if you re-read that quote I think it speaks for itself.

It's more simple to assume they've had some contact - it explains the key and the comment about Italy. Especially since Jonas never explicitly stated that there had been zero contact in all that time.

If we don't assume there was such contact, we'd be forcing a plot hole in where one need not exist.

and Bree should find herself a man who really appreciates her and has an attention span longer than that of a goldfish!

He held out far longer than any sane man would have, and showed an ungodly level of consideration for her - even tying Jonas up just because she was upset and wanted to.

She was always the one not considering him.

[longlostposter]

and Bree should find herself a man who really appreciates her and has an attention span longer than that of a goldfish!

Are you referring to Daniel? Because if you are, you've got to be kidding me.

Bree never felt the same way as Daniel did about her (he was deeply, deeply, in love with her); so they were never really a couple. Bree made that clear on numerous occasions when she crushed Daniel's advances like so many waterbugs.

As for appreciation, that is the richest thing I think I've seen posted yet. Bree has used Daniel like a piece of toilet paper...shit on and flushed.

lol, I'd better stop.