Subjects?

SoulAndroid13 · Post by **SoulAndroid13** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:36 pm

As in plural? As in more than one?

Daniel and Jonas were left in a hotel. Who is/are the other 'subject(s)' that escaped?

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:43 pm

SoulAndroid13 wrote:As in plural? As in more than one?

Daniel and Jonas were left in a hotel. Who is/are the other 'subject(s)' that escaped?

We were never told that they were abandoned. The fact that there was still a camera watching them tells us they hadn't been forgotten.

SoulAndroid13 · Post by **SoulAndroid13** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:52 pm

Lurker wrote: We were never told that they were abandoned. The fact that there was still a camera watching them tells us they hadn't been forgotten.

True. Very true. However there appeared to be nothing holding them in place. Daniel was even given a directive to return home, the implication being that he should do so under his own power.

On top of that, the clip at the beginning seems to imply that they are still separate, or at least that Bree isn't with them.

And if they attempted to reaquire daniel and jonas, we got shown none of it.

Subjects escaped. Attempting recovery.

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:59 pm

Fair points. I can see how it would look that way, especially since they'd told Daniel to go home.

ladysolitary85 · Post by **ladysolitary85** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:05 pm

I think what happened was maybe in the beginning Daniel discovered the video and maybe tweaked with it long enough so it wouldn't show he escaped. I didn't see Daniel or Jonas later in the video only Bree. It appears the Order guys were chasing her down but right when they finally caught up to Bree the camera man was shot (hint the description coding. Translation= Shot Watchers) I'm guessing the Watcher was too injured to type that or, maybe too embarassed to type it in fear of possible punishments already for not capturing the "subjects". Since he said "Subjects" I'm guessing all three had escaped.

The real question is we know they took off but with who? and who shot the watcher?

epogen · Post by **epogen** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:18 pm

ladysolitary85 wrote:I think what happened was maybe in the beginning Daniel discovered the video and maybe tweaked with it long enough so it wouldn't show he escaped. I didn't see Daniel or Jonas later in the video only Bree. It appears the Order guys were chasing her down but right when they finally caught up to Bree the camera man was shot (hint the description coding. Translation= Shot Watchers) I'm guessing the Watcher was too injured to type that or, maybe too embarassed to type it in fear of possible punishments already for not capturing the "subjects". Since he said "Subjects" I'm guessing all three had escaped.

The real question is we know they took off but with who? and who shot the watcher?

but it sure does look like a watcher standing over the camera person in the end, so maybe it's shot by watcher or any various things.

as for daniel it does seem likely that he escaped, and even though we didn't see him, i guessing that bree had some sort of help getting out there....

however i was kind of wondering if maybe the camera was somehow planted on daniel and that it could have been him who got shot. while it does feel like the camera operator was chasing bree, he could have been just following her...(ie running away with her). or maybe he could even be triggered back to order beast, but that isn't a theory that i am attached to. i still kind of think that mean daniel was an editing trick, though we don't know that yet.

as for jonas i dunno about him. i guess that the camera could have been planted on him too....the only reason i think it was daniel was because he was shown at the beginning.

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:30 pm

Daniel did seem sort of mind-controlled, but his actions suggest otherwise.

mellie3204 · Post by **mellie3204** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:19 pm

Daniel was definately acting differently from the others while being interrogated though. The others look at the camera and the 'person' interrogating them... Daniel has his eyes closed the whole time and seems much more in a trance-like/hypnotic state, more unresponsive. And later he doesn't seem to be as drugged out.

But in any case, I don't think he was there during the escape sequance. I think if they all escaped (or even only 2 of them) they split up with a view to meeting later, at a possibly prearranged destination for if they ever got seperated. Faced with who to chase, the Orderites just went after Bree, she's the only one they actually want.

I also don't think Daniel was the guy who went down near the end though, as I don't think Bree would have reacted like that to him?

Just my thoughts

JustAnotherLonelyGirl. · Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:26 am

Thought it does look like they were abandoned, it's possible they were simply locked in that room. It appears the camera was in a closet or something, and the door was not visible from its point of view. In Psychological Torture, it kind of sounds like Daniel is banging on the door at one point. You also see Jonas climb out of the bathtub. Maybe they found a way out and checked out their location, then Daniel found the camera and broke it or something, then they found an exit and ran? Who knows.

Or maybe Bree and Daniel escaped, but Jonas disappeared. Maybe Daniel woke up to find him missing.

Oh dear, Jonasss!

ladysolitary85 · Post by **ladysolitary85** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:32 am

mellie3204 wrote:Daniel was definately acting differently from the others while being interrogated though. The others look at the camera and the 'person' interrogating them... Daniel has his eyes closed the whole time and seems much more in a trance-like/hypnotic state, more unresponsive. And later he doesn't seem to be as drugged out.

But in any case, I don't think he was there during the escape sequance. I think if they all escaped (or even only 2 of them) they split up with a view to meeting later, at a possibly prearranged destination for if they ever got seperated. Faced with who to chase, the Orderites just went after Bree, she's the only one they actually want.

I also don't think Daniel was the guy who went down near the end though, as I don't think Bree would have reacted like that to him?

Just my thoughts

I don't think so either... because think about it guys, if Daniel was the one who got shot, why would Bree jet off like that? Knowing Bree we would of heard her scream "DANIEL!!!!" she probebly would of been in shock alot longer.

Although, I wonder what direction that truck or car was in... possible that the door was open and there was a snipper right there. hmm...

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